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If you can dodge a wrench…
Hey, this explains why wrenches often come in sets of three different sizes. Child, teen and adult.
Can’t be any worse (or more childish) than the surfer turf wars [cbsnews.com], which have been going on for decades.
> minnesota
>everyone using them has been friendly and takes care of the facility
Checks out.
Yep. On the one hand, facilitating a healthy and popular recreational activity is a straight up win.
On the other hand, if people leave near the courts and have to hear that clickity-clack all day long, I can see why they would resist that. Of course, the right way to resist would be to propose and support legislation to ban it, or propose funding/etc., to put the courts only in indoor facilities, or to relocate to a different address that is further away.
I personally don’t have sympathy for the “my home values are going down” complaint. Viewing property as an investment with a profit motive is economically harmful and the root cause of the current housing crisis. Too bad, so sad. Sell at the lower price if you cannot cope with the noise.
I completely agree about property values.
And even if I were sympathetic, it’s still not the government’s job to care about your property value. It’s there to serve the community as a whole, not just a few entitled assholes.
By “entitled assholes,” do you mean neighboring homeowners or pickleball players?
Enquiring minds want to know!
(Of course, that’s not necessarily an “or” question. It could easily be both.)
it’s still not the government’s job to care about your property value.
Indirectly, you are completely 100% utterly wrong on this.
It is absolutely the government’s job to prevent an uncaring majority from making a minority’s life miserable (e.g. by making their houses unlivable due to noise).
most noise ordinances start at 8 or 9 pm
In many places that doesn’t mean you can make arbitrarily large amounts of noise outside of those hours.
You could always put in earplugs to help yourself before you go to the extreme of disrupting the communities recreations.
If you are making so much noise that someone needs earplugs in their house then you are being astonishingly antisocial.
Ignore them of course.
And that’s why there are laws.
It seem to be more antisocial to demand others alter their behavior just to avoid some sort of personal bias against earplugs.
You would get angry if someone sat outside your house running a massive stereo or unmuffled bike all day.
In this case, both groups have a reasonable position, but your lack of empathy is so deep it seem like you almost enjoy the idea of sticking it to those people.
Property values are likely a wash.
Homes near to public facilities (parks, schools, etc.) receive a boost in value from people who want to take advantage of the nearby facilities. Conversely they are less valuable to people who are bothered by the noise and traffic from others utilizing the facilities.
I am personally a big believer in “If ya don’t like it, MOVE”, and have very little sympathy for complainers even if they lived there before the noisy facility was built. I live beachside, next to a Navy base
>”I am personally a big believer in “If ya don’t like it, MOVE”, and have very little sympathy for complainers even if they lived there before the noisy facility was built.”
I 100% disagree.
Noise is a *major* problem for some people (I know, I can be one of them). I poured my life and money into a house for 30+ years and if some *new* noise problem started ruining my peace and enjoyment of my house, I should NOT have to move. And I almost never open my windows.
Now, I have zero experience with pickleball noise. Nor do I leave near a park. So I can’t comment to those, specifically. I have had issues with basketball noise, and that is maddening, hours of continuous thumping.
>”you clearly have autism”
Nope, not even slightly. Although I have been described as a “highly sensitive person”. It is estimated that 15 to 20% of the population are HSP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… [wikipedia.org]
Noise pollution is real and has real health effects.
I don’t think anyone should get to move into a loud neighborhood and complain, but I also don’t think anyone should get to make a neighborhood louder. It actively harms people.
Sure, but that’s what city council / planning sessions are for. If someone wants to build something new in the neighborhood, the planning commission evaluates the project and makes a recommendation, the public gets input, and the city council votes. If you object -go to the meetings and say so. If they decide to do it over your objections, you can put up or move.
Once something exists, people are allowed to make noise by using the facilities. Even if that noise disturbs others.
Sure but let’s not forget about the value of consensus, best effort and middle ground. Not everything needs to be a conflict or a win/lose scenario. For instance a high hedge might reduce noise.
Same in my area. The tennis courts got some use, but were often empty. Then a few years ago they tore them out and put pickleball courts in, and instantly they were at nearly 100% utilization, with frequent tournaments, and would play into the night thanks to some lighting that was also installed (don’t remember if the lights were there when it was tennis courts.) When I read about it in the city newsletter I had to look it up because I was apparently the last one in my area who didn’t know what pickleba
Spoofing every gang-warfare movie ever, pickelballers vs tennis players. Will the laced rackets or the hard rackets win? I would totally watch this movie!
“Pickleballers, come out and PLAAA-AYYY!”
I golf clap in your general direction, good sir. I legit laughed out loud.
We should applaud people getting out and playing sports. Good for them.
If the sport is too noisy then I’m sure some bright spark can come up with some adaptation of the ball or the bat or even some active noise cancelling that could help.
I’m not a pickleballer, but the paddle noise is semi-rhythmic so I don’t mind it at all. What’s disturbing is is the occasional yelling, but that happens with any sport. So if it was a sudden surge of tennis instead of pickleball, I think people would still complain.
Not that I particularly disagree, but the complaint aren’t coming from people passing by, they’re coming from people who live next door, and the noise is only “temporary” in that the courts usually close during the night hours. During open hours, it’s pretty continuous in the busy ones.
The noise is absolutely not negligible. A number of years ago my Mom bought a nice house right across the street from a park that had tennis courts. Then pickle ball came into fashion and all day long one could hear the noise from the courts inside her home with the windows closed (and heaven forbid she would want to open one, or have a peaceful day gardening in her backyard) constantly at all hours of the day including hours when people are not supposed to be playing. It was absolutely a primary reason for

The noise is absolutely not negligible. A number of years ago my Mom bought a nice house right across the street from a park that had tennis courts.
Please google “coming to the nuisance”. I’m sorry it didn’t work out, but it’s not the fault of pickleball players…
What? “coming to the nuisance” doesnt apply. If you had bothered to read one sentence further into my post you’d have seen that my mother bought the house before pickle ball was being played in this park. These were tennis courts that she moved close to and tennis doesnt make the same noise that pickle ball does. Pickle Ball only started being played on these courts about 5 years or so after she bought the house.
Youâ(TM)re funny. The city park was there first. Are you suggesting that no new activities can be invented and carried out at a city park?
No, I’m telling you that noise was never an issue until the pickle ball started. In other words, the nuisance came to my mom, not the other way around.
I’m really not sure why you need that explained to you.

No, I’m telling you that noise was never an issue until the pickle ball started. In other words, the nuisance came to my mom, not the other way around.
Actually, that’s not how “coming to the nuisance” laws work.
If you move in next to a ranch without animals, and then the animals appear after you move in – zoning still applies it’s still your issue. The obvious difference here is your mom chose to move in next to a park instead of a ranch.
Again, sorry it didn’t work out for your mom.

I’m really not sure why you need that explained to you.
The days when people had some etiquette on slashdot are obviously gone. Now we have people like you making mean comments like yours that read as though “It’s the fault of the p
What nonsense. If ones neighbor starts making insane amounts of noise it isn’t the fault of everyone around them because “hey, you moved next to people and people make noise”. Likewise if people start making disturbing amounts of noise completely out of character for a park it is not the fault of the neighbors either. Feel free to finally cite a source though if what you’re describing really is a proper legal doctrine that also supports what you’re claiming as you say it does.
After that, give me a break wit
I diminished no-one.
You’re name calling.
Please spare me the false equivalency and accept that your mom moved next to a city park and the city park has city-park-noise that she didn’t like.
If it was a legitimate noise complaint, your mother could have phoned the police who takes care of such issues. Perhaps she did, and they informed her that “it’s a city park where a game is being played. Sorry, ma’am.”

I diminished no-one.
You’re name calling.
Oh, you lack insightfulness and the ability to hold yourself accountable for your own actions. How surprising…

If it was a legitimate noise complaint, your mother could have phoned the police who takes care of such issues. Perhaps she did, and they informed her that “it’s a city park where a game is being played. Sorry, ma’am.”
So not only can you not cite a proper citation to support any of the nonsense you’ve been claiming but now you’re doubling down and creating even more fictions. In reality the city was working with my mom and her neighbors to reduce the noise disturbance. Over the course of several years with especially long weight times in-between (local city government moves slowly around here I guess) they trie
That’s simply not true. Pickle ball noise is a problem all over the country https://www.latimes.com/califo… [latimes.com] , it cant all be because of poor insulation.
Nice try shifting blame though!

That’s simply not true. Pickle ball noise is a problem all over the country https://www.latimes.com/califo… [latimes.com] , it cant all be because of poor insulation.
Nice try shifting blame though!
Blame shifting?
So you’re telling me that the L.A. Times confirmed that all those complainers’ homes were well insulated? Impressive journalism, that is.
What I very clearly stated is that all these noise complaints happening nation wide cant possibly all be due to poor insulation because the odds of that would be ridiculous. Try being more attentive in your reading.

Well good insulation absorbs the sound without transmitting it. And I don’t think blame applies to limitations of materials and construction. I mean that’s just physics. physics operate independent of social notions
I’ll repeat myself again, the volume of pickle ball noise complaints happening nation wide couldnt possibly all be due to poor insulation. The odds make it pretty much impossible
Yes, if you put enough insulation into anything you can eliminate any form of noise pollution you want but clearly given the volume of complaints what constitutes a normal amount of insulation in a home is not enough to deaden pickle ball noise.

Why did you just reinvent and inject the concept of blame into a conversation in which it did not exist?
Didnt exist?
From the prior post

Poorly insulated walls sure, but that’s a deficiency of the construction of the home, not a deficiency of pickleball.
Just because the word “blame” wasnt used doesnt mean blame
Things are more flammable here….
The article makes it clear this isn’t about noise.
It is about everyone who wants to use public space having useful (to them) public space available when they want it. There simply enough enough space to make everyone 100% happy 100% of the time.
404media–facts not found.
We have a sport that’s primarily played by elderly people (pickleball), mixed up with noise complaints – which typically are the provenance of elderly people!
This is gonna be the most grumpy, wrinkled rumble ever!
You don’t need a reason to expect or demand quiet, during any day or night. That should be the “default natural state.” Maybe you want to meditate, or take a nap, or read a book, or whatever. If you are in your house with your windows shut and can still hear unnecessary and annoying noise, it can be a problem. The amount of problem and stress varies greatly with the individual.
The three most annoying problems/examples in most places are:
Dogs, vehicles with illegal exhaust modifications or condition, and

You don’t need a reason to expect or demand quiet, during any day or night. That should be the “default natural state.”
LOL. It is not even the default natural state in nature. Expecting a city to be a quiet place is silly. Consider earplugs if you are that sensitive, they are cheap.
>”LOL. It is not even the default natural state in nature.”
Sure it is. There will some birds and frogs and crickets at such. Almost none of it reaches into your closed-windowed house like stupid vehicles with a “modified” exhausts, a dog barking endlessly for hours next door in the yard, a modern 1,000 watt stereo system with mega sub-woofers, or a chainsaw.
>”Expecting a city to be a quiet place is silly. Consider earplugs if you are that sensitive, they are cheap.”
1) I didn’t say city.
2) Even in a

We have a sport that’s primarily played by elderly people (pickleball), mixed up with noise complaints – which typically are the provenance of elderly people!
Its the elderly who peaked at HS PE trying to relive their youth vs the elderly who hated HS PE. Different generations express this divide differently. Unless you are a raiders fan, then young or old its the same costume and face paint. Admittedly this helps in recognizing everyone if you missed a few season during incarceration.
Stuff that matters?
Fucking Pickleball?
What the fuck happened to this fucking site?

What the fuck happened to this fucking site?
Whatever it is, it happened years ago. If you smoked less drop, you’d have noticed sooner.

What the fuck happened to this fucking site?
People grew up and moved out of their parent’s basement. Now they need to find other social interactions so they took up Pickelball because tennis is too much effort.
Some of us did not, and are confused about how something objectively popular “matters” to other people.
I read the article for you, it was a funny read, but the summary is definitely not a summary, it’s just the beginning of the article…
I’m as suspicious as you about this new 404 media push. There obviously something shady in how many articles from it we get. It was created in August, by former Vice employees, so you can bet your ass money is definitely involved in pushing it.
I feel for the clickbait for that one, so let me write you an actual summary, since Slashdot editors can’t.
Pickleball is growing, and
This article reminds me of those silly headlines you’d see in the ticker on SimCity lol

Pickleball is kind of like tennis, but played on a court a quarter of the size using a plastic ball similar to a wiffle ball and a hard racket
It’s like ping-pong where the the players actually stand on a large(r) table. 🙂
I’m down for a geriatric slap-fight. HOA royalty vs. public park facility terrorists. SMACK-DOWN!
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What do you mean “nowadays”?
If you want current affairs then a news aggregator is not the place to go, and never was. Slashdot was always days late with the news.
Just put the pickleball courts next to the county rifle/pistol range.

an arsonist set fire to a storage shed at Memorial Park used by the Santa Monica Pickleball Club
I am going to say Santa Monica, but then again I have been told I dont read good.
I think they should rename tennis cucumberball.
But seriously, I had no idea what pickleball was until I read TFS. So thanks Slashdot, I guess, for occupying my few remaining brain cells with that information.

I had no idea what pickleball was until I read TFS.
I imagined a baseball / whiffle ball sort of relationship, but for tennis.

Maybe they should call it Pussyball
That already exists. I am pretty sure it is called soccer over in Europe tho.
>No, it’s called football in Europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world except the USA, where it’s called soccer to avoid confusing “football” fans, who are excitable and easily confused.
And yet, the term soccer (association football) was coined by the brits, to differentiate it from rugby and australian rules football.. also, according to wikipedia, Ireland, South Africa and Australia still use the word “soccer,” so its not just the USA.
American here… I intentionally call it “Tackleball,” Why? Because most of the time in the game appears to be avoiding being tackled, trying to tackle someone, being tackled, or waiting for recovery from tackles. Maybe 1% of the time does the ball ever touch or have anything to do with a foot?
It’s called “football” because it’s played on foot (as opposed to “horseball” games like polo, which are played on horseback).
I suppose. But most sports are played on foot- tennis, basketball, baseball, volleyball, hockey, golf, boxing, cricket, rugby, lacrosse, softball, etc, etc. Doesn’t seem to help clean up the silly name much at all.
Basketball- goal is to put ball in basket.
Baseball- goal is to run the bases to home.
Handball- almost all contact with ball is with hands.
Dodgeball- goal is to dodge being hit with ball.
Volleyball- play defined by volleying the ball back and forth.
Kickball- primary play is to kick the ball to ot
“Football”- goal is to carry ball in HANDS across a goal without being tackled, often throwing ball with HANDS to another player. To me, it is just a silly name. 🙂
It’s not even much of a ball, either — the damn thing is all funny-shaped, more like an egg than a ball.
It might have been my niece who I first heard calling it “handegg” instead of “football“. I think that makes more sense, frankly.

Kickball- primary play is to kick the ball to others.
This is incorrect
Kickball- goal is to run the bases to home.
Yeah, you are right, I was thinking something else.
No, it’s called football in Europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world except the USA,
It’s also sometimes known as soccer in England (less now than in my youth, and less then than in my dad’s youth). Soccer is a very very English public school (public schools are the nobbiest of posh private schools in the UK by the way) term.
It dates back to the founding of the modern sport where it split into “Rugby football” an “Association football”, known by the kind of upperclass twits of the year who use suc
Anyhow, I’ll accept the pussy ball insult from Australians and French, from the saying: football is pretending to be in pain for 1.5 hours, and rugby is pretending not to be in pain, for 1.5 hours. I mean, doing a Neymar is a thing…
Soccer is called football in Europe. Pussyball is similar to rugby, except the players wear lots of protective gear and stop every few seconds to catch their breath. It’s called football in the USA.

Complain about absolutely everything. Screw them.
So your theory is that the old people burned down their own athletic equipment?

Or are you under the impression that pickleball is NOT for old people and those who passed high school PE with a “C” for attendance?

those who passed high school PE with a “C” for attendance?
That was me until one semester I was denied being on the honor roll because of a “C” in PE. I wasn’t a bad athlete, just not an exceptional one like the jocks.
My mom (who was a secretary at the high school at the time) read the riot act to the coach, who then promptly gave me “B”s from then on.

those who passed high school PE with a “C” for attendance?
That was me until one semester I was denied being on the honor roll because of a “C” in PE. I wasn’t a bad athlete, just not an exceptional one like the jocks.
My mom (who was a secretary at the high school at the time) read the riot act to the coach, who then promptly gave me “B”s from then on.
I hope your mom included the administration on the discussion, considering it sounded like a very poor grading policy. It would save the coach from repeating the error as well as a recurring earful.
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